Posts by Sea Breeze

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2 Peter and Jude and 1 Enoch

by Parallax in

i'm new to the forum and i have a question about what was said in a 16-year-old thread at this forum.

a poster by the name of leolaia said.... the author of 2 peter did not recognize that jude 6 was an allustion to 1 enoch (just as he did not realize that jude 9 was an allusion to the assumption of moses and thus rephrased it incoherently in 2 peter 2:11), or he may have objected to the enochic reference (just as jude 14-15 was omitted in 2 peter 2).

in either case, the author overlooked the enochic allusion and instead recognized the passage as an allusion of hesiod and thus embellished the passage from jude with an allusion to hesiod's tartarus.. .

Sea Breeze

The Muratorian Fragment lists 22 of the 27 NT books as canonical. It dates to 170 AD. The document is called a fragment because portions of the document have been torn off. The well known biblical scholar Westcott states that the missing books were probably included initially because the document is torn where they should have been listed.

The answer to defeating the heresy of JW's is the Word of God itself... not more heresy.

There are many, many ancient Jewish history books and historical Dead Sea Scrolls that are fascinating to read. Enoch is one. The Book of Jasher is another. Both books are either quoted or are mentioned by name in the bible. The Gnostic heretics wrote a number of works by the same names though. So be careful. The gnostic versions of ancient books are easy to determine, but you do have to be aware of them and be careful.

You can pick up the Book of Jasher by Ken Johnson on Amazon. It is sort of a cliff notes version, is a good read, and will fill in a lot of the early details of humanity written about in Genesis.

Ancient history books are not "lost books of the Bible". That is a marketing ploy. They were never considered inspired. And as such, believers read them with a grain of salt noting that they may not have been preserved exactly as originally written.

Other books referenced in the bible:

The Book of Wars, Num. 21:14
The Book of Jasher, Josh. 10:13
The Chronicles of David, 1 Chron. 27:24
The Book of the Kings of Israel and Judah, 2 Chron. 27:7; 35:27; 36:8
The Book of the Kings of Israel, I Chron. 9:1; 2 Chron. 20:34.
The Words of the Kings of Israel, 2 Chron. 33:18.
The Decree of David the King of Israel, 2 Chron. 35:4.
The Chronicles of Samuel the Seer, 1 Chron. 29:29
The Chronicles of Nathan the Prophet, 1 Chron. 29:29
The Book of Gad, 1 Chron. 29:29
The Book of the Prophet Iddo, 2 Chron. 13:22
The Words of Shemaiah the Prophet, 2 Chron. 12:15
The Deeds of Uzziah by Isaiah the Prophet, 2 Chron. 26:22; 32:32
The Book of Jehu, 2 Chron. 20:34
The Record book of Ahasuerus, Esther 2:23; 6:1
The Book of Remembrance, Mal. 3:16
The Book of Life, Dan. 12:1; Phil. 4:3; Rev. 20:11; 22:19
The Book of Judgment, Dan. 7:10; Rev. 20:12
The seven-sealed book, Rev. 5:1, 13.
An angel’s book, Rev. 10:2

The Book of Gad is also available on Amazon by Ken Johnson. It was a really good read as well.

Testimony of the 12 Patriarchs is not referenced in the bible but is also available. It was considered by skeptics to be written by Christians several hundred years after Jesus lived because the theology is essentially Christian and not Pharisee. When a portion was found in Qumran with a BC date, it changed that view for many.

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Jesus is Michael the Archangel

by Fisherman in

only jesus has the power and authority to defeat satan and kick him out of heaven:.

“now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our god and the authority of his christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our god.”.

Sea Breeze

Heretics have been around since the very beginning 2000 years ago. They are a special breed all their own.

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I made a Website to examine the scriptures/words usage in every JW publication since 1950/1970

by ComingOutaMyCage in

hi everyone!i'm new here, but have been active on the reddit r\exjw community.

i have just published a website where i analysed the last 50-70 years worth of watchtowers, awake, books, brochures, and kingdom ministries/work books.. i have collected all the data and published it at the link below.

you can also see below an example of genesis.

Sea Breeze

Book marked. Thanks for putting this together.

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Margaret Keane' the one time 'big eyes' wt illustrator, RIP.

by waton in

a creative person that got a lift from her touch and riding the wave of wt "first love" involvement, when living in hawaii.

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anyone knows what happened in her later life?

Sea Breeze

I toured the "Branch Office" in Hawaii in 1989. Yes, even though Hawaii is a State in the USA, the GB in their infinite wisdom saw fit to establish a branch office on this idyllic Pacific destination.

I was surprised to see many original pieces depicting her black-eyed kids (BEK) this artist was famous for hanging on the walls everywhere. I had never see artwork in any KH. The tour guide seemed impressed that a well-known artist would also be a JW. It must be the truth if a well-known artist who paints creepy alien-hybrid looking kids has joined, right?

Black Eyed Kids

Anyway, the paintings seemed odd and out of place for a "Christian" Center. Now, it all seems rather appropriate.

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The resurrected will not get a change of clothes in the New System

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

the watchtower—study edition | september 2022.

20 what an exciting time the thousand year reign will be!

it will include the greatest educational program ever undertaken here on earth.

Sea Breeze

Exactly Anna. Scripture says Satan will be chained in the abyss for 1000 years. The WT teaches that the Millennium Reign began in 1914, 108 years ago.

The WT doesn't teach that Satan is bound yet. They teach the opposite.... he's lurking in every garage sale and antique shop in the world!

So what's the deal? If the big A came tomorrow, Satan would only be chained 892 years. But scripture says 1000 years. Hmmm whom to believe?

On a side note: those really are 'bout the cleanest windows I've ever seen. Guess they are figuring on having plenty of help in that department.

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January 6th hearings...

by Queequeg in

what's your take on the january 6th hearings?.

Sea Breeze

Meanwhile, while we all watch the misdirection, Bidens top health care ~~pervert~~ official in the US targets our children:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY0VNzkLHTI&ab_channel=GOPWarRoom

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Roe vs Wade Overturned by US Supreme Court!

by Simon in

i know there was a leak a few weeks back, but this really does seem to have come out of the blue.. the anomaly was the original decision.

it clearly had no basis in law or the constitution, and was a flimsy, ridiculous ruling.

plus the whole thing was based on a fraudulent case in the first place.. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61928898.

Sea Breeze

Just "nature" taking its course?

Yes. We live in a fallen world. Disconnected from the Source. An aberration to the original design. As such, victim to the second law of thermal dynamics. Decay. Accumulating deleterious mutations with each generation. It's called genetic entropy. Very well understood these days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Mfn2upw-O8

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January 6th hearings...

by Queequeg in

what's your take on the january 6th hearings?.

Sea Breeze

Dear Shadowclone,

Stop your gas lighting. We all saw the election fraud on the night of the election. With our own eyes....Remember? Observers were kicked out, told to go home etc. Windows were taped with cardboard so no one could see in. Millions of "mail in" ballots were brought in under the cover of darkness in secrecy.

Democrats hate democracy.

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The resurrected will not get a change of clothes in the New System

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

the watchtower—study edition | september 2022.

20 what an exciting time the thousand year reign will be!

it will include the greatest educational program ever undertaken here on earth.

Sea Breeze

the Thousand Year Reign...It will include the greatest educational program ever undertaken... it will also be a time when the conduct of both the righteous and the unrighteous will be evaluated.

They are out of their minds. It takes less than a minute to read the 10 commandments. The only reason they imagine a big educational program is so they can teach their thousands of additional pharisaical rules to an endless supply of numbskulls.

The Millennial Reign will be characterized by the complete absence of self-righteous know-it-alls..... especially the stain of WT pharisees. These are the exact same kinds of people who murdered Jesus. I don't think he will be letting any of those kinds of folks in.

Additionally, the WT fantasy of the "unrighteous" being resurrected during this time is ridiculous. Their resurrection is only one of damnation. No panda bears for the unrighteous.

"Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, 29And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation." - John 5

The righteous and the unrighteous are resurrected at different times. The unrighteous dead are judged after the 1000 yr. reign. (The righteous dead are judged at the cross, along with with Jesus when "he became sin who knew no sin so we might be made the righteousness of God") The righteous dead only suffer a vicarious damnation. Jesus was cursed and damned in our place. He came to be our Scapegoat. That's why it is called The Substitutionary Atonement.

The Final Judgment

Rev. 20: 11 - And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

The righteous dead are judged according the work of Christ on the cross. The unrighteous dead are judged according to their own works.

No one survives the judgment at the GWT. That is why it is called a "judgment of damnation".

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Roe vs Wade Overturned by US Supreme Court!

by Simon in

i know there was a leak a few weeks back, but this really does seem to have come out of the blue.. the anomaly was the original decision.

it clearly had no basis in law or the constitution, and was a flimsy, ridiculous ruling.

plus the whole thing was based on a fraudulent case in the first place.. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-61928898.

Sea Breeze

Just for a little perspective here: OVER 90% OF DEMOCRATIC MEMBERS OF CONGRESS HAS VOTED FOR ABORTION UP UNTIL THE MOMENT OF BIRTH.

Polls show that the public is just the opposite. Fewer than 10% of Americans would go along with this. So, what gives? I believe the Wicked Witch of the West is responsible. She is the face of the Democratic Party. She rules her party with an iron fist. She has tried to be a benevolent dictator. A lot of people have fallen for it. But, she is just another tyrant.

The democratic party has run this country into the ground in just about every possible way. USA abortion laws are so extreme they are only matched by 6 countries in the world. North Korea and China are on that short list.

I realize that people for abortion reform are going to disagree about many details. But people of common sense realize that we must all pull together whenever possible and not forsake morality altogether.

I have a lot of relatives in Europe. They are not Christian. They are quasi atheist, agnostics with a Catholic believer here and there. But, they have common sense. We all get along great. They believe in families, marriage, right and wrong. Would they measure up to a biblical standard. No. (In reality no one can do it perfect) But, they have not thrown away their Christian culture of temperance, patience and peace-seeking either. Neither have embraced sycophantic dictators either.

I am not going to demonize someone who says abortion should be illegal after 22 weeks. I might expose faulty logic in that position. But so what, if that is where you are, then vote that way. Don't let people manipulate you into hating your opponents so much that you get pushed into a far more extreme position where your "approved" representatives must perform a partial birth abortion on the Senate Floor as a litmus test.

I think the average age for making abortions illegal in Europe is 14 weeks. It's time to restore some common sense to the United States. We are freedom lovers. We are also easily manipulated by experts who know what they are doing.

Just think about it: We were all believers at one time and were easily manipulated into ritually rejecting Jesus Christ and his contract for the forgiveness of sins every year! (See Mt. 26: 27-28)

Think about that. We just all went along with the leaders. One day, we woke up and realized we didn't have to. I think this issue is another one of those light bulb moments. It's time for Nancy to put her broom back in her San Francisco closet and watch the sun set.